Saturday, April 28, 2018
Explaining DNA Tests of 5th cousins of FTDNA and generations ago of GedMatch
Nadene Goldfoot
My DNA tests with Family Tree DNA have come up with many 5th cousins. This means I have cousins that share one of their 32 gggggrandmothers or gggggrandfathers with me. That's going back very far, 6 generations.
What is a generation? 25 years is considered a generation. We had 2 ancestors, our mother and our father for starters. We receive 50% of our DNA from our mother and 50% from our father.
Our 1st cousins share their grandparents with us. It used to be that a couple could have easily had 10 children, even more. Today that doesn't happen very often. There are a lot of single children without any siblings. Their parents may have had siblings who had children, so they do have 1st cousins.
GedMatch shows relationship measured by generations. 6 generations ago, we had 64 ancestors. 32 were females and 32 were males. They were our gggggrandparents. They were born about 150 years ago or to the year 1868, being this is 2018. We received 1.5625% of our DNA from each one.
I've never seen this, but if GedMatch showed that someone was related to us 10 generations ago, they would be our 9th cousins. By then we would have had 1,024 ancestors. 512 of them would be males and 512 would be females. They would be our gggggggggrandparents. They would have been born about 250 years ago or born in 1768. We would have inherited 0.09765625% of our DNA from each one.
Family Tree DNA will say 5th cousin Remote cousin if the match shows only a certain amount of cMs and a certain amount of segments that equal being a 5th cousin, and even less showing the remote relationship. They do not go past the 5th cousin remark. One new 5th cousin I have recently found shares 86.76281
The 25 years equaling one generation comes about from a woman's ability to have a child. She has child-bearing capability from marriage at age 18 to the time of her menses which would be about age 45. She can be 18 and a mother. 25 would be her average age, so a generation can certainly vary depending on when mothers and grandmothers were born and how old they were when giving birth.
The DNA company has a tool to figure this out according to how many cMs are shared versus how many segments they come from. That's how they came up with 5.6 generations instead of 7 generations. This means the connection with this distant cousin could be 140 years ago to 175 years ago. Our common ancestor could have been born anywhere from 1878 to further back in 1843. That's a span of 35 years, another whole generation.
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| A first cousin overnight reunion. In this picture is my brother and his wife, a cousin from my father's side, myself, and 3 siblings that are our maternal first cousins with one spouse. It was taken in July of 2017. There is one cousin here who tested. On GedMatch we share 945.5cMs over 37 segments. The largest segment was 76.3cMs. This showed we had Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 2.0 (Most recent common ancestor). 2 generations ago went back to our grandparents. |
My DNA tests with Family Tree DNA have come up with many 5th cousins. This means I have cousins that share one of their 32 gggggrandmothers or gggggrandfathers with me. That's going back very far, 6 generations.
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| My father and myself |
Our 1st cousins share their grandparents with us. It used to be that a couple could have easily had 10 children, even more. Today that doesn't happen very often. There are a lot of single children without any siblings. Their parents may have had siblings who had children, so they do have 1st cousins.
GedMatch shows relationship measured by generations. 6 generations ago, we had 64 ancestors. 32 were females and 32 were males. They were our gggggrandparents. They were born about 150 years ago or to the year 1868, being this is 2018. We received 1.5625% of our DNA from each one.
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| Going way back, Major Aaron Robinson is in this picture. He was born in 1768 in Bennington, Vermont. He could be my 1st cousin 6 X removed, or 6 generations distant (a 5th cousin). This is figured from Family Tree Maker, my software program. You can find it online today. | .. |
Family Tree DNA will say 5th cousin Remote cousin if the match shows only a certain amount of cMs and a certain amount of segments that equal being a 5th cousin, and even less showing the remote relationship. They do not go past the 5th cousin remark. One new 5th cousin I have recently found shares 86.76281
25 with me. This is from FTDNA.
Her granddaughter shares 29.28478
6 with me. It's less, being the 6th cousin. That's a distance of 7 generations where we are sharing 64 females and 64 males. Each of our ggggggrandparents are giving us 0.390625% of our DNA. However, the generations shown that are distant on GedMatch are only 5.6 generations instead of my 7 generations.
The 25 years equaling one generation comes about from a woman's ability to have a child. She has child-bearing capability from marriage at age 18 to the time of her menses which would be about age 45. She can be 18 and a mother. 25 would be her average age, so a generation can certainly vary depending on when mothers and grandmothers were born and how old they were when giving birth.
The DNA company has a tool to figure this out according to how many cMs are shared versus how many segments they come from. That's how they came up with 5.6 generations instead of 7 generations. This means the connection with this distant cousin could be 140 years ago to 175 years ago. Our common ancestor could have been born anywhere from 1878 to further back in 1843. That's a span of 35 years, another whole generation.
Resource: Family Tree DNA, GedMatch.com
Chart; unknown origin, but online
Chart; unknown origin, but online
Labels: Family Tree DNA, GedMatch, genealogy, generations, MCRA
Tuesday, August 23, 2016
Goldfoot has East-Asian Ancestry
Nadene Goldfoot
I have a mother who converted to Judaism whose mother was born in Sweden and father who was an American Yankee with distant roots going back to the ship after the Mayflower of 1620 from England or Wales.
I have a father whose parents were Ashkenazi Jews from Lithuania and Poland. I have tested with Family Tree DNA and find I have 3% of my DNA from Asia Minor, meaning Turkey and the area of Georgia and Azerbaijan. By testing with GedMatch.com, I find my East Asian genes amount to 0.41%. Of that, the break-down is Western Mediterranean-11.55%, Eastern Mediterranean-9.78%, Western Asian-2.89%, Middle Eastern-5.18%, South Asian-0.67% and East Asian-0.67%.
Simply put, I have 49% European, 48% Jewish Diaspora and 3% Middle Eastern. It is that Middle Eastern that I figure is from my Jewish side of Goldfoot and Jermulowske genes, but perhaps not. Out of my European ancestry, 36% comes from Scandinavia; 8% come from Southern Europe and 5% comes from Eastern Europe. My 4 grandparents; the Swede, Yankee, Lithuanian and Lithuanian/Poland would have given me each 25% of my genes.
Then I have found that about 1/3 of Caucasians taking the DNA test show some level of East-Asian ancestry and being Jews make up only 0.02% of the world population, they can't all be Jewish! This East Asian ancestry is a different thing all together. Some Norwegians are of significant East Asian ancestry because there is an admixture with the Lapps (Sammi) who came to Scandinavia from northern Asia and who share a common heritage with Asian Indians, Northern Chinese, Japanese, Ainu and even American Indians. I'm guessing now, but I bet its from the Q Y haplogroup (carried by men). This is interesting. My Swedish grandfather could have Q haplogroup genes and my father's DNA shows he IS Q1b1a or Q-Y 2200.
There are other groups of people with significant East Asian ancestry that may have contributed to my family tree that include migrations/invasions of nomads through Russia as well as other portions of Eastern Europe and are thought to have brought East Asian gene sequences to Europe. That would show my Jewish heritage of Lithuania and Poland were part of Russia at one time. Other migrations may not be known at this time and may have an affect on scores!
About half of the South Asian Indians tested have significant East Asian ancestry, though you would never know by appearance. Just because some of my relatives were born in Europe doesn't mean they were all 100% Indo-European. European boundaries are political, not biological like the DNA test, and immigration/emigration between Europe and the rest of the world has been happening for thousands of years.
Other researchers at Yale and Stanford have shown considerable East Asian admixture in Eastern European, Russian and Northern European populations. The Indo-European group covers the populations from Europe to India, including the Middle East. They are actually fairly similar genetically. People from these regions often generate similar admixture results. The further East from Europe a sample originates from, the lower the Indo-European score. In all the samples tested so far, including samples from the South of India, have Indo-European as the major group in the admix test.
Secondly, these populations are part of a language group termed Indo-European and this is where FTDNA took the label describing this group. What that means is the languages spoken by modern day populations of these regions are descended from a common root language. Put together the genetic data and the linguistic anthropological data and it makes sense that they should be grouped together in the test.
My mother's nephew was tested. His father was my mother's brother. His mother had German heritage. He is an R1b1a2a1a1b4 Y haplogroup. On FTDNA, Ken's makeup was 98% European and out of that, 51% came from Scandinavia, 23% came from the British Isles, 23% came from Western and Central Europe, and 1% came from Finland and Northern Siberia! On GedMatch.com, his East Asian amounts to 0.28%., and Western Mediterranean is 16.78%. Western Asian is 4.09%. Eastern Mediterranean is 2.14%, Red Sea is 0.59%, south Asian is 0.73% and Amerindian is 1.55%. On the R1b haplogroup, the first allele on the test is # 393 which is a 12 and not the usual 13. I believe this denotes more eastern heritage. It's not a common result with R1bs.
Resource: http://www.familytreedna.com/faqdnaprint.html.
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| Mom's Dad on left, born in Illinois |
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| Mom's Mom from Sweden |
I have a father whose parents were Ashkenazi Jews from Lithuania and Poland. I have tested with Family Tree DNA and find I have 3% of my DNA from Asia Minor, meaning Turkey and the area of Georgia and Azerbaijan. By testing with GedMatch.com, I find my East Asian genes amount to 0.41%. Of that, the break-down is Western Mediterranean-11.55%, Eastern Mediterranean-9.78%, Western Asian-2.89%, Middle Eastern-5.18%, South Asian-0.67% and East Asian-0.67%.
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| My Mother |
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| Dad's Father |
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| Dad's Mother |
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| Myself with my Dad |
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| Me, Nadene Goldfoot |
Simply put, I have 49% European, 48% Jewish Diaspora and 3% Middle Eastern. It is that Middle Eastern that I figure is from my Jewish side of Goldfoot and Jermulowske genes, but perhaps not. Out of my European ancestry, 36% comes from Scandinavia; 8% come from Southern Europe and 5% comes from Eastern Europe. My 4 grandparents; the Swede, Yankee, Lithuanian and Lithuanian/Poland would have given me each 25% of my genes.
Then I have found that about 1/3 of Caucasians taking the DNA test show some level of East-Asian ancestry and being Jews make up only 0.02% of the world population, they can't all be Jewish! This East Asian ancestry is a different thing all together. Some Norwegians are of significant East Asian ancestry because there is an admixture with the Lapps (Sammi) who came to Scandinavia from northern Asia and who share a common heritage with Asian Indians, Northern Chinese, Japanese, Ainu and even American Indians. I'm guessing now, but I bet its from the Q Y haplogroup (carried by men). This is interesting. My Swedish grandfather could have Q haplogroup genes and my father's DNA shows he IS Q1b1a or Q-Y 2200.
There are other groups of people with significant East Asian ancestry that may have contributed to my family tree that include migrations/invasions of nomads through Russia as well as other portions of Eastern Europe and are thought to have brought East Asian gene sequences to Europe. That would show my Jewish heritage of Lithuania and Poland were part of Russia at one time. Other migrations may not be known at this time and may have an affect on scores!
About half of the South Asian Indians tested have significant East Asian ancestry, though you would never know by appearance. Just because some of my relatives were born in Europe doesn't mean they were all 100% Indo-European. European boundaries are political, not biological like the DNA test, and immigration/emigration between Europe and the rest of the world has been happening for thousands of years.
Other researchers at Yale and Stanford have shown considerable East Asian admixture in Eastern European, Russian and Northern European populations. The Indo-European group covers the populations from Europe to India, including the Middle East. They are actually fairly similar genetically. People from these regions often generate similar admixture results. The further East from Europe a sample originates from, the lower the Indo-European score. In all the samples tested so far, including samples from the South of India, have Indo-European as the major group in the admix test.
Secondly, these populations are part of a language group termed Indo-European and this is where FTDNA took the label describing this group. What that means is the languages spoken by modern day populations of these regions are descended from a common root language. Put together the genetic data and the linguistic anthropological data and it makes sense that they should be grouped together in the test.
My mother's nephew was tested. His father was my mother's brother. His mother had German heritage. He is an R1b1a2a1a1b4 Y haplogroup. On FTDNA, Ken's makeup was 98% European and out of that, 51% came from Scandinavia, 23% came from the British Isles, 23% came from Western and Central Europe, and 1% came from Finland and Northern Siberia! On GedMatch.com, his East Asian amounts to 0.28%., and Western Mediterranean is 16.78%. Western Asian is 4.09%. Eastern Mediterranean is 2.14%, Red Sea is 0.59%, south Asian is 0.73% and Amerindian is 1.55%. On the R1b haplogroup, the first allele on the test is # 393 which is a 12 and not the usual 13. I believe this denotes more eastern heritage. It's not a common result with R1bs.
Resource: http://www.familytreedna.com/faqdnaprint.html.
Labels: dna, East Asia, ftdna, GedMatch, Jewish, Russia, Scandinavia
Wednesday, June 29, 2016
Solving a Conundrum: Triangulation: What is it and How in Finding Our Ancestors
Nadene Goldfoot
I've been trying to learn to do triangulation. Finding people who match segments of mine on Family Tree DNA out of Houston, Texas, has shown that we are anywhere from 3rd to 5th cousins or even more distant than that. In trying to find who belongs in your special family group that has one common ancestor, one uses triangulation.
11/13/16/Good news in using trianguation: Sandy just triangulated the Wertheimers, and you, your brother and Sandra Oster are right in those triangulations with all the known Wertheimers. Mazal tov! Andi
I'm glad I have these 2 ladies, heads of Halpern and Branches, who are working with triangulation and finding out about the people we are matching and how we are related to each other. It's not easy.
It's that 3rd step, matching the 2 matches, that I didn't realize was so important. So here I go, exploring what happens when I do.
Testing a friend and 5th cousin, Victor, with my 1st cousin once removed, Aaron, and myself on chromosome 9,
Aaron and I both matched our 5th cousin with the same segments! Victor must be a relative! My brother and my 1st cousin, Sandra, also match him. Now what?
Victor is C.
start end centimorgans
9. (A-C) Nadene Goldfoot 113,959,528 to 118,535,396 7.5cMs
9. (B-C) Aaron B. 113,959,528 to 118,535,396 7.5cMs
9. (D-C)David G. 113,959,528 to 118,535,396 7.5cMs
(D-A)
9. (E-C ; Sandra O. 114,233,584 to 118,306,289 7.0cMs
A matches B (Nadene matches Aaron)
Comparing Nadene to Aaron on chromosome #9. The end did not match the beginning of this example. In other words, 113 to 118 does not fit in between the parameters of 18 to 78. The segments are too long to be triangulating. It is not showing triangulation, but the 2nd example below, does.
Comparing Sandra to David (E-D)
Sandra's match with Victor would fit into this area.
D matches A (David matches Nadene)
(D-C) David matches Aaron)
Sandra matches Nadene
Comparing David to Sandra on chromosome #9. The 113...to 118 and 114..to 118...fits right inside the parameters of 81...to 123... Hmmm, Aaron is the next generation from David and Sandra. We are also told that a section of DNA that is 10cMs and more is better to use than something less. 5 is used, but can be a problem. Below we have 11 plus except for Fred's example that is better than 5.0, which also is used.
9. David G 135,622,483 to 138,063,601 11.9cMs
9. Nadene Goldfoot 135,622,483 to 137,956,617 11.4cMs
9. Stephen H 135,794,032 to 138,034,221 11.3cMs
9. Aaron B 135,622,483 to 138,034,221 11.7cMs
9. Fred W 129,673,254 to 132,368,572 5.8cMs
This is comparing Steve, Nadene's son to Aaron B. Nadene and Steve both show an example of triangulation. Steve is Nadene's son. Aaron is Nadene's 1st cousin once removed.
This is comparing Nadene Goldfoot to Aaron B, the 3rd step in triangulation.
This is Fred W to Aaron. No match here, not even on chromosome #9. We do not know this relationship, probably 5th cousin.
This is Fred compared to David. Again, no match on #9.
This is Fred to Nadene. No #9 match here either, only one on #7. We can't use Fred with our testees as an example.
Fred's match of # 9 s segment : 129,673,254 to 132,368,572 of 5.8cMs was not a part of our family group.
My daughter didn't match Victor at all. Siblings don't carry the very same DNA. It varies.
After people have been standing on their heads trying to explain to me what triangulation is, I believe I get it now. I used the 3rd reference listed below to finally understand-I hope. It's all done through GedMatch.com using one to one comparison.
Now, what you do with it from here is another thing. If 2 people matching the 3rd triangulates, they might be able to find a common ancestor somewhere, I presume. They belong to a family group.
As an aside:
Victor matches Nadene on FTDNA as 5th cousin sharing 67.53cMs on 5 segments of 5cMs or more.
Victor matches David on FTDNA as 5th cousin sharing 55.59cMs on 5 segments of 5cMs or more.
Victor doesn't have Steve or Aaron as matches on FTDNA.
Victor matches Sandra as 5th cousin with 80.14cMs on 4 segments including X (23rd).
Victor matches Steve on GedMatch on 2 segments of 7.6cMs and 11.3cMs with a total of 18.9cMs.
Victor matches Aaron on GedMatch on 2 segments of 8.5cMs and 11.5cMs with a total of 20.0cMs.
They are the next generation of Nadene, David and Sandra.
Aaron is 4.7 generations from Victor or MRCA (Most Common Recent Ancestor).
Steve is 4.8 generations from Victor or MRCA.(Most Common Recent Ancestor).
From Andi: DNA breaks brick walls.
Edit: June 30,2016
Reference: http://isogg.org/wiki/Ch
In or around 1160, a synod was held in Troyes. This synod was led by Rabbeinu Tam, his brother, the Rashbam, both grandchildren of Rashi, and Eliezer ben Nathan (the Ra'avan). Over 250 rabbis from communities all over France attended as well. A number of communal decrees were enacted at the synod covering both Jewish-Gentile relations as well as matters relating internally to the Jewish community.
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http://isogg.org/wiki/Triangulation
http://blog.kittycooper.com/2015/02/triangulation-proving-a-common-ancestor/ *****
http://www.genealogyjunkie.net/your-dna-results--what-next.html
https://www.geni.com/projects/Medieval-Rhineland-Jewry-Speyer-Worms-Mainz/16986
file:///C:/Users/Home.DELL.000/Downloads/Alperovich%20RASHI%20FAMILY%20TREE,%20Alan%20Rich%20-%20the%20best%20with%20descendencies%20in%20red%20v%201.pdf
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/111831/jewish/Rabbi-Shlomo-Yitzchaki-Rashi.htm
I've been trying to learn to do triangulation. Finding people who match segments of mine on Family Tree DNA out of Houston, Texas, has shown that we are anywhere from 3rd to 5th cousins or even more distant than that. In trying to find who belongs in your special family group that has one common ancestor, one uses triangulation.
11/13/16/Good news in using trianguation: Sandy just triangulated the Wertheimers, and you, your brother and Sandra Oster are right in those triangulations with all the known Wertheimers. Mazal tov! Andi
I'm glad I have these 2 ladies, heads of Halpern and Branches, who are working with triangulation and finding out about the people we are matching and how we are related to each other. It's not easy.
It's that 3rd step, matching the 2 matches, that I didn't realize was so important. So here I go, exploring what happens when I do.
Testing a friend and 5th cousin, Victor, with my 1st cousin once removed, Aaron, and myself on chromosome 9,
Aaron and I both matched our 5th cousin with the same segments! Victor must be a relative! My brother and my 1st cousin, Sandra, also match him. Now what?
Victor is C.
start end centimorgans
9. (A-C) Nadene Goldfoot 113,959,528 to 118,535,396 7.5cMs
9. (B-C) Aaron B. 113,959,528 to 118,535,396 7.5cMs
9. (D-C)David G. 113,959,528 to 118,535,396 7.5cMs
(D-A)
9. (E-C ; Sandra O. 114,233,584 to 118,306,289 7.0cMs
A matches B (Nadene matches Aaron)
| 9 | 18,647,019 | 78,363,834 | 34.7 | 7,537 |
Comparing Sandra to David (E-D)
| 9 | 81,797,685 | 123,998,393 | 52.8 | 11,326 |
D matches A (David matches Nadene)
| 9 | 1,678,398 | 138,633,901 | 160.6 | 29,789 |
| 9 | 81,797,685 | 123,998,393 | 52.8 | 11,326 |
| 9 | 81,797,685 | 123,998,393 | 52.8 | 11,077 |
Comparing David to Sandra on chromosome #9. The 113...to 118 and 114..to 118...fits right inside the parameters of 81...to 123... Hmmm, Aaron is the next generation from David and Sandra. We are also told that a section of DNA that is 10cMs and more is better to use than something less. 5 is used, but can be a problem. Below we have 11 plus except for Fred's example that is better than 5.0, which also is used.
9. David G 135,622,483 to 138,063,601 11.9cMs
9. Nadene Goldfoot 135,622,483 to 137,956,617 11.4cMs
9. Stephen H 135,794,032 to 138,034,221 11.3cMs
9. Aaron B 135,622,483 to 138,034,221 11.7cMs
9. Fred W 129,673,254 to 132,368,572 5.8cMs
| 9 | 132,539,954 | 138,386,226 | 18.7 | 1,891 |
| 9 | 132,095,770 | 138,633,901 | 20.4 | 2,029 |
| hr | Start Location | End Location | Centimorgans (cM) | SNPs |
| 1 | 181,829,405 | 196,177,269 | 9.5 | 2,586 |
| 12 | 25,076,163 | 40,294,406 | 11.1 | 3,476 |
| Chr | Start Location | End Location | Centimorgans (cM) | SNPs |
| 5 | 3,432,438 | 6,140,464 | 8.5 | 925 |
This is Fred compared to David. Again, no match on #9.
| Chr | Start Location | End Location | Centimorgans (cM) | SNPs |
| 7 | 63,498,025 | 75,101,728 | 9.0 | 1,701 |
Fred's match of # 9 s segment : 129,673,254 to 132,368,572 of 5.8cMs was not a part of our family group.
My daughter didn't match Victor at all. Siblings don't carry the very same DNA. It varies.
After people have been standing on their heads trying to explain to me what triangulation is, I believe I get it now. I used the 3rd reference listed below to finally understand-I hope. It's all done through GedMatch.com using one to one comparison.
Now, what you do with it from here is another thing. If 2 people matching the 3rd triangulates, they might be able to find a common ancestor somewhere, I presume. They belong to a family group.
As an aside:
Victor matches Nadene on FTDNA as 5th cousin sharing 67.53cMs on 5 segments of 5cMs or more.
Victor matches David on FTDNA as 5th cousin sharing 55.59cMs on 5 segments of 5cMs or more.
Victor doesn't have Steve or Aaron as matches on FTDNA.
Victor matches Sandra as 5th cousin with 80.14cMs on 4 segments including X (23rd).
Victor matches Steve on GedMatch on 2 segments of 7.6cMs and 11.3cMs with a total of 18.9cMs.
Victor matches Aaron on GedMatch on 2 segments of 8.5cMs and 11.5cMs with a total of 20.0cMs.
They are the next generation of Nadene, David and Sandra.
Aaron is 4.7 generations from Victor or MRCA (Most Common Recent Ancestor).
Steve is 4.8 generations from Victor or MRCA.(Most Common Recent Ancestor).
From Andi: DNA breaks brick walls.
How I suspected you were Wertheimers: You are high on my FamilyFinder list, and we corresponded. I think that I wrote you that I didn't know how WE were related, but I could see if you belonged to a Halpern branch. I searched your FF list for Halper, Wertheim, and Rubenstein (all Halpern branches), and I saw that you had a lot of people on your FF list that wrote that Wertheim was one of their ancestral surnames. So I put you, your brother and son on our Wertheim list, and wrote "probable." Just now Sandy triangulated the Wertheims. We have a group that knows that it descends from Rabbi Samson Wertheimer and Sandy triangulated you and your brother with that group. AND YOU DID TRIANGULATE WITH THAT GROUP ON SEGMENTS ON WHICH A LOT OF THEM TRIANGULATED. It's only such segments that are likely inherited from Wertheims that you and your brother can triangulate on, which indicates that you and your brother ALSO descend from that Rabbi Samson. You can Google him; he's well known. Rabbi Samson descends from Rabbi Isaac of Worms (born late 1500's), one of whose sons carried on the Halpern surname, indicating that Rabbi Isaac was a Halpern. In Worms, earlier in the 1500's there was a women named Eva Grunhut , from the Heilprinn family. I hypothesize that YOUR ancestor Rabbi Isaac descends from Eva. HIS surname wasn't Heilpronn, but he apparently knew that he was part of the Heilpronn/Halpern family, so one of his sons adopted that surname. I THINK that the wife of Rabbi Isaac was a Wertheim, so one of his sons took that name.
Some Jewish history:
After the Chmelnitsky Uprising, the Jews of Poland-Ukraine became impoverished. Before it, they were quite well off. As a result of this impoverishment, they began to migrate. Some went back to Germany whence they had originated. Others moved to Belarus and Lithuania. From 1650-~1750, there were great Jewish migrations. That's how our ancestors got to Lithuania. In 1600 there weren't many towns in Lithuania with Jews in them, but by 1800, there were a lot.
On Eleazar of Worms, Germany:
I was googling Rabbi Isaac of Worms and this came up. I do have a few Italian genes and am supposed to be a descendant of this Kalonymus family of Mainz, first found in Italy. I've read this before. It's a tragic story of what happened to Eliazar. It's another Rabbi we should all be related to.
Eleazar was most likely born in Mainz. He was a descendant of the great Kalonymus family of Mainz, and a disciple of Judah ben Samuel of Regensburg (Judah he-Hasid), who initiated him into the study of the esoterica, at that time little known in Germany. According to Zunz, Eleazar was hazzan at Erfurt before he became rabbi at Worms. He was a signatory to theTakkanot Shum.
Eleazar underwent great sufferings. On the night of 22 Kislev, 1196, he was engaged on his commentary on Genesis (he relates that he had reached theparshah Vayeshev), when two men (maybe Crusaders) entered his house and killed his wife Dulce, his two daughters Belette and Hannah, and wounded his son Jacob. The intruders were probably local men, since no crusade was ongoing at the time. His wife had conducted a business in parchment scrolls in order to support the family and enable him to devote all his time to study.[1] Many of the piyyutim he authored protest at Israel's suffering and hope for redemption and revenge against her tormentors. He also recorded the deaths of his family in a moving and poetic eulogy.
Eleazar developed a vigorous activity in many directions. On the one hand, he was a Talmudist of vast erudition, a liturgist gifted with a clear and easy style, and anastronomer, and was well versed in the sciences open to the Jews of Germany at that time. At the same time, he was an adventurous mystic who experienced visions, seeing legions of angels and demons. He exerted himself to spread mystical systems which went far beyond the conceptions of the classical authors of Jewish esoterica. In his mystical works he developed and gave a new impulse to the mysticism associated with the letters of the alphabet. By the gematria and notarikon sys
Best, Andi
We are related to him. Via marriage to the K's by Rabbi Elchanan Ha-kadosh.
Also, the wife of Eleazer was a 5th or 6th generation descendant of the founder of the Halpern family whose name is: Rabbi Judah ben Meir Ha-Cohen Sir Leontin (The First). Her name was Dolche-Naomi and she was murdered in front of Eleazar's eyes together with their daughter, Belette.
In the Autosomal Report, read what I wrote about Eleazar. Read about him on pages 29 and 32-33.
Best, Andi
You can try googling Rabbi Itshak of Worms…
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Edit: June 30,2016
Reference: http://isogg.org/wiki/Ch
In or around 1160, a synod was held in Troyes. This synod was led by Rabbeinu Tam, his brother, the Rashbam, both grandchildren of Rashi, and Eliezer ben Nathan (the Ra'avan). Over 250 rabbis from communities all over France attended as well. A number of communal decrees were enacted at the synod covering both Jewish-Gentile relations as well as matters relating internally to the Jewish community.
Scholars and Rabbis 1200CE -
- Kalonymus ben Moses,
- Jekuthiel ben Moses,
- Moses ben Jekuthiel,
- Judah ben Kalonymus,
- David ben Meshullam.
- Abraham ben Meïr ha-Kohen,
- Kalonymus ben Isaac,
- Jacob ben Isaac ha-Levi,
- Eleazar ha-Ḥazzan,
- Eliakim ha-Levi,
- Isaac ben Asher ha-Levi,
- Samuel of Speyer,
- Abraham ben Solomon,
- Isaac of Bohemia,
- Eliezer ben Isaac,
- Meïr ben Kalonymus,
- David of Speyer,
- Judah ben Kalonymus ha-Baur,
- Shemariah ben Mordecai,
- Eliezer ben Joel ha-Levi,
- Simha ben Samuel,
- Abraham ben Samuel
- Eleazar ben Jacob,
- Jacob ben Asher of Speyer,
- Jedidiah ben Israel,
- Solomon of Speyer.
- Moses Süsslin, later "Judenmeister" in Frankfurt
- Samuel Isaac ha-Ḳadosh
- Shemariah Salman ha-Levi
- Yitzchak Ben Shlomo of Worms
- Baruch ben Isaac
- Rabbi Samson Wertheimer
- Rabbi David Oppenheim
- Avraham Shmuel Bacharach of Worms
- Yair Haym Bacharach of Worms
- Jakob Halevi Mollin (The Mahari"l) of Mainz and Worms
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Adler_(rabbi)
Rabbi Yitzchak of Worms was RASHI's father. Chabad has a story about both of them.
Rashi was born in the town of Troyes in France; some people believe he was born in Worms. His father Yitzchak was a great scholar, but very poor. He made a meager living from the sale of wine.
A wonderful story is told about the birth of Rashi: His father, Rabbi Yitzchak once found a rare diamond. "Now, there would be no more poverty," he thought and went to sell the precious stone to the local jeweler. The jeweler hadn't enough money to pay for such a large diamond, and suggested to the bishop to buy it. Now the bishop had been looking for such a diamond for he wanted to put it on his cross. He offered a huge amount of money for it. When Rabbi Yitzchak heard for what purpose the bishop wanted the stone, he refused to sell it. He knew, however, that if he did not sell the stone, it would be taken from him forcibly, and so he threw it into the sea. A Heavenly Voice then resounded: "For this great sacrifice you will be blessed with a son that will outshine all the precious stones in the world, and the light of his Torah will shine for ever." The following year a son was born to him, and he called him Solomon, saying, may G‑d grant him wisdom like unto King Solomon.
Rashi was still a youngster when he left his home town and went to Worms and other towns that were known for their great Torah scholars. With great zeal Rashi learnt Torah and Talmud, and after some eight years of ardent study, he returned to his home town again. He was then about 25 years of age, but he continued to study on his own. Soon he became known as a very great scholar, and thousands of students and scholars flocked to him, to learn from him. Rashi, was elected Rabbi of his town Troyes, but he did not accept any wages, and made his living from the sale of wine, like his father used to do.
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http://isogg.org/wiki/Triangulation
http://blog.kittycooper.com/2015/02/triangulation-proving-a-common-ancestor/ *****
http://www.genealogyjunkie.net/your-dna-results--what-next.html
https://www.geni.com/projects/Medieval-Rhineland-Jewry-Speyer-Worms-Mainz/16986
file:///C:/Users/Home.DELL.000/Downloads/Alperovich%20RASHI%20FAMILY%20TREE,%20Alan%20Rich%20-%20the%20best%20with%20descendencies%20in%20red%20v%201.pdf
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/111831/jewish/Rabbi-Shlomo-Yitzchaki-Rashi.htm
Labels: 3rd step, GedMatch, triangulation
Thursday, September 24, 2015
Goldfoot's Ancient Heritage from GedMatch.Com
In going way back, past the 4,000 years ago where we connected with King David, I have used GedMatch as machinery that can tell me where our ancient ancient history comes from. This is in using Eurogenes K13 Test.
North Atlantic might mean genes that came from mother's mother being my maternal grandmother was from Sweden. The Baltic could be from my father's father as he was from Lithuania. Being my father's line is the Jewish line, I believe the rest is from him. My Father and brother's Y haplogroup is Q1b1a, and that could be where Siberia comes up.
Key to Countries
North Atlantic=USA, France, Germany, Sweden, England
Baltic=Lithuania, (Pale of Settlement) belonging to Catherine II of Russia, where Jews lived
West Mediterranean=Israel (Judah)
West Asian=Israel (Judah
East Mediterranean=Israel (Judah)
Red Sea=Egypt
South Asian=Pakistan, India
East Asian= Afghanistan
Siberian=Russia to Siberia
Amerindian
Oceanian
Northeast African=Egypt
Sub-Saharan=Liberia, etc.
Nadene Goldfoot
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Stephen, Nadene's son, shares 3,383.26 cMs with his mother over 24 segments. His father's roots were from England. Note the areas that go up and those that go down in this transfer from mother to son. We share huge blocks of genes.
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Labels: ancient lands, Eurogenes, GedMatch, genes, mother-son, Origins, siblings
